VSL needs to step it up.....

It has been out long enough, and we are still waiting for capabilities that we do not have and are ESSENTIAL.

If you think VSL needs to add something to the next release, add it here:

Text on the fly......seriously.

-Text on the fly +1
-Ability to batch attach video to Videoless files(mp3's)

Ability to attach jpeg, png, ect files to videos. Saves the hassle of converting to video. Could also do things on the fly. ie birthday party pics, grabbing files from the hd

+1 and to attach Video files WITHOUT having it plugged in.

Hes, you can associate AND save effects in the offline player.

Warik...I only got one thing to say..

I need to step it up and learn how to use Serato. lol.

and this post isnt to flame VSL, just to point out that we are not up to par on the market, and I dont want to have to use another plugin to enable capabilities that shoud be there for this tool.

patience son :)

you guys are such teases, if serato was a bitch Id never call her back and
tell all my friends she's a dirty whore.

hahahahahahahhaahahahhahahaha

+2 ;) I hate dirty whores.

the thing I seem to notice with serato is that they won't just put a whole bunch of junk on the interface without first putting a lot of thought into it. I think this is why ScratchLive continues to be the most stable application for djs...

Do you really NEED text on the fly? sure it would be COOL but necessary?

I just want some dancing hamsters bound to my midi controller. What if I say PLEASE? :)

i think it is necessary for text. there have been so many times i couldve used a text feature (even if it was for one minute out of the whole night)...

FOR SHO.
+5

I let Serato do what it does best...play music and now video. When I want to use logo's, text, other animated crap on my screens I use Modul8 on another mac feeding into my Edirol for that stuff. It's what it does the best.

If I wanted a crappy application that was everything for all people I wouldn't be using Serato.

well, I think the general consensus is at LEAST text is needed.
I could care less about JPGs and that other stuff.

txt with maybe 30 basic fonts and size applications.
then just a few options like scroll, center, top, bottom ect ect...

by that idea Justin we'd never see things like the effects for video
or the improvements on sample-player, the ability to record, loops, loop rolls ect ect.

Ive always been dead against progress for the sake of progress.
I agree that some ideas are often the "needs of the few" though.

I agree Joshua..and since ME has it people wonder why VSL doesn't have it. I just think that Serato might want to spend the time fixing something that more people use, like a tighter intergration with iTunes vs adding text to VSL. There are some threads on here that basically want VSL to be a video editor, rather than a player of videos.

At what point do you say that something is just not a feature that's approporiate and that you might need to buy another program in order to make it happen?

I'm just joking around on hampsters obviously ;)

It'd be nice if I could say superimpose a logo in the lower right hand corner or something. Sort of like a video sampler. The club logo turned 3d and spinning perhaps. I'm sure these are things they've heard plenty before though.

I cant believe you are against something as simple as text Justin. Some of us (including me), do not use or never have used mix emergency, nor do I care to use it...Im comfortable with Serato. I used Virtual Garbage Dj in the past, and hated that program with a passion. Yes it has text, amongst other things, but come on lets be reasonable here...Ive already spent a fortune and have a wiring "situation" every time I DJ, so why would I want to go out and buy another piece of hardware just to get text? I think text with VSL is right around the corner anyways...

I really am not against text...Serato should offer at least as much as ME does right now...if not more. Sorry if it sound like that.

But look at the post right about yours..a spinning logo turned 3D? You think that should be part of VSL...I don't. I think that should be designed by a 3D program and then brought into VSL, using alpha channels, and placed onto the screen...but remember, even doing that takes up quicktime and CPU / Graphics card processing power...and I would much rather have that power and stability going into my main videos rather than a spinning logo...even if it is cool.

By the way, I have that functionally right now with my Edirol and Modul8. Yes, it's more expensive of an option, but I also have much more control over it and it's doesn't effect Serato one bit.

I agree, anything more than simple text within VSL is kinda gay, even thou it might be cool...

as far as spinning logo I wasn't excepting VSL to do that.. hence my words when I said "video sampler"

Milz, it is kinda cool to play with different logo variations on the fly.
Justin, sorry for pulling your example, I understand what you meant.

the chicks ass on po club vid aug is nice lol

price has never been a huge hurdle for me...
honestly its carry'ing & hooking up all this crap!

It cant be too terribly difficult.
just text.
and if the did allow images, maybe a just a small option like justin mentioned that w
a small logo that accepts png files (so u can die-cut logos)
then a transparency adjustment....
id just like my logo to pop up here & there...

but thats all 2nd fiddle to being able to scroll a message

transitions on b1-b6 buttons :p

i think serato is doing a great job. They offer constant updates which at time seem kinda spread out, but the quality they bring is great. Yeah we don't have all the lil perks that some other program have, but then again those programs don't match up to serato. Remember when all we had was two turntables and a mixer, and we could rock a party that way? Well now we have a lil more than the basics to work with, and once you figure out every little thing that you can do with your ttm57sl and how to get around the things that haven't been put into the program yet...I bet serato will be like here is another update.

Yes it's always great to have the latest gear and updates. I know from history that some of the best mixes/music has been made using the basics!

I will now be excepting hate mail.

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More Codecs

And have an option to move the preview screens from browser to within the main display.

Codecs

i like the idea of text and pic overlay (via: jpeg, gif, png, etc.). i think that's all that is needed really. codecs would be cool. but on mac, you really don't need it. especially with new snow leopard, the h.264 acceleration feature will be awesome to see on the new version of vsl! can't wait nathan!!

Ability to record your mix. Like ME.

I use VSL live because I like the interface better, ME seems to get in my way because it wasn't built for Serato. But I do use ME to record sets and it works GREAT.

In my opinion, if you could record your sets in VSL then it will be a done deal.

Amazes me how since the beginning of this whole digital dj thing..Cats are NEVER EVER satisfied...No more carryin' crates and Cd Cases..but we want BPM listings..and looping and i also need serato to book my gigs, pick the right songs and rock my crowd for me..LOL
not dissin'...just freaks me out that cats that use other programs always come up to me whether i'm rockin' videos or just audio and ask what program it is..and how well the blends are i'm like uh..it's SERATO..the ONLY reason jumped on the bandwagon..was because it Kept the INTEGRITY of DJ'ing ..no Frills,,no auto pilot ...if you want tricks, bells and whistles..i always tell em'..use Final Scratch or Mac DJ or whatever the hell else ipod djays are usin' these days..

i agree with dub, recording is a must. text would be nice along with more effects.

How about when you do audio effects on group 6, it also effects the videos! like an echo will slowly fade the video out or the flange will make the video distort. That would be dope!

Also, making a sample player for videos. We just hit a key, and bam! A 2 second video sample pops up in the mix!!!

I agree with you on this. Too bad the (some) folks at Serato believe that Itch will be the next new thing.

www.scratchlive.net

Good call man! That would be dope.

Sounds like we have alot of good ideas here. I agree with Geenius to a point, I am a no frills dj myself too at this point. I barely learned how to use my 57 and the only thing I use of its extras is echo (and if the current setting gets screwed up, i donno how to get it back!). and what is a midi anyways? lol.

On the other side, we have the technology here. I dont want to become a video editor yet. I do want Jpegs that I can drag and drop. I do want text banners for Drink specials and on the fly shout outs. I dont think i should have to have a seperate tool hooked up to be able to do this when we paid $200 for this one along with the 57 mixer?

Serato is a GREAT too, no one is doubting that, i am just saying they need to stay ahead of the game. Many things have been requested since the beta phase, and that was over 1.5 yrs ago right?

For us midi people using scratch live . Make the X in search assignable so that by hitting a button on your mixer it cancels out all the characters in the search box and allows you to just type in the new search

you can use livetype for the text.then use visualhub to convert it to mp4.and read it on serato and load it to one of the decks and loop it.its sick.look at the link post.s23.photobucket.com

Text im +1 for

Ability to make my columns sorted all THE SAME WAY would be nice....i spend a lot of time setting NAME ARTIST TIME BPM LOCATION just a set as default would be cool

Ability to use one video as the default for all mp3 files would be KEY..so my screens dont go blank when Im drunk at 3am and forget to add a video to my sick DRUNK PEOPLE mix

build overviews - do I really have to unplug my shit everytime I need to build a whole bunch of views.....? Something simple there would be great..

better crate management would be cool, crates = disater when it comes to moving them to another MAC or external hardrive..Latley i load the whole crate to history and then export as an iTunes playlist....least I have it forever!

The bottom line is a lot like most veteran DJ's have said.....I don't have to lug CD's around anymore, I don't have to worry about the program crashing mid set. I can play VIDEO on my screens.....you are doing a great job at serato.......keep up the good work........if us forum people can get a bit of love every 6 months with some new updates and fixes including some of the shit we request that would be great.

As a business owner I listen to the people who care for my business the most......I may be the chief, but I am jack shit without my indians. We are Serato's indians the end users......we care for your business. Thats why we suggest ways to make it better. Keep up the good work. AND FOR GOODNESS SAKE give us TEXT!

text like in my link above.

No offense but that is far from "on the fly"...

it might be far from it but, its text over a video and that's what people wanted. I made some last night at the bar I do thur - Sat. And the owner was happy. I had it say all kinds of stuff and saying welcome to gogo's. Ladies nite wed. Dj Que Video mix.

Lot's of stuff for them to get on with, hopefully thy do some of them

I would actually like to see videos played from the sampler that can be either transparent, PIP, or or faded into the current playing video.

Serato has been the same for years. Stability comes first, features come second.

VDJ can do more, no crashes in two years woooooweeee!

The people that still dis VDJ aren't using it, and haven't used it in about 5 or 6 versions so you could deem their views on stability as dated.

VSL is however a great product, it has some unique qualities, it's stronger in some areas, weaker in others, the loyal customer base should acknowledge that there is
strong competition, and demand more where necessary.

main thing vsl vs vdj is customer service.

I totally agree I've had nothing but bad customer service from VSL, good point.

Just kidding with you, I've never had an issue with either, both forums are very welcoming with experienced users/teamers on hand to help.

I haven't used VDJ out in a club in over a year. Main reason I completely switched is because I couldn't get my laptops to work consistently with THREE different compatible soundcards with it. I can't afford to spend 20 minutes to configure my laptop/hardware when about to spin at a club. Granted VDJ has some cool features but they lacked in so many areas that I couldn't afford deal with it anymore.

At the time I was a beta tester and constantly told them to add in MP4 tag reading capabilities (two years ago), better timecode performance, stable & quick set up with soundcards, etc.... I got frustrated when they would dismiss my valid claims from a professional working club DJ who NEEDS certain things to be right for my show. They instead worked on controller support and automix features. Gearing more toward mobile mouse clicking DJ's. I have soundcards if anyone wants to buy them from me.

It isn't really a club DJ product. My best friend back in Texas still uses it in nightclubs but he brings a cube computer, controller, and has to move so much stuff around to set up. That doesn't generally sit well with owners and managers when they have a DJ booth set up with a laptop stand and a pioneer 800 mixer or rane ttm57sl mixer...
And he calls me on occasion with technical issues he comes across. I keep telling him...

best combo:

Mac Book Pro + SL/VSL + ttm57sl mixer = solid

Everytime he calls... I just keep saying... save your money and do it right!!!
Oh he wants it but can't get there yet...

Plus... everytime I go ANYWHERE to a club I NEVER see anyone using VDJ to spin video...... period.

VDJ great for mobile applications
VSL great for ALL applications


Just my opinion...

VDJ is big in the UK, I don't know of anyone using Serato in my area

reason why VDJ is big in the UK is that I am sure if you look at the license key they are using, its a hacked version! In order to use Serato, you need hardware!

Yeah probably right, you would of thought they would of done something about it by now but they don't seem bothered. Anyway it's their money

quote]reason why VDJ is big in the UK is that I am sure if you look at the license key they are using, its a hacked version! In order to use Serato, you need hardware!

Is that your way of saying that we can't afford software in the UK? Otherwise the same would be true in the US? I don't know of any working DJ's without hardware...honestly.

Out of the 8 guys I know that are using VDJ.
only one bought the software... and that was only after 2 years of use.
and wanted to have access to skins and effects.

the others are all using the bootlegged copy.

most of them are mobile guys who "dabble" in occasional pub gig.

again, I wouldnt call any of them "performance" djs

VDJ is big in the UK because not very many people in the UK are "Scratch Dj's". Scratching is mostly for HipHop. VDJ is not the best option when it comes to scratching.

Best comment yet. On the basis upon its initial attempts this is true. But it is a stable proggie. But its also true what phat al said, def not plug n play. Also I'm sure people bootleg but realisticly those numbers have to be higher then comparing to serato users...ie mobile/pub djs....apples and oranges. Also like to point out u still need hardware to compare vdj to serato. Also hehe most people that used or using vdj are also using there serato hardware. I'm sure many haven't come over to serato because the lack of support for vob also because people get comfortable. Vdj has always been big in the uk, if it was the other way around all of u would be using vdj. I personally started with vdj as it was the only option at the time unless u had 6 G for the dvdjs. In conclusion....also. hehe I have none, just bored and posting with my new Android phone. Let me see u type all this with a iphone in 2 minutes.

marx and his new toys

VDJ targets ALL DJ's, and arguably this is where it falls short. The program got too popular too quickly, and the relatively small team at Atomix were doing their best to please everyone, and we all know what happens when you try to do that!

Rather than set out with a small target market like Serato, and fitting in with existing hardware (via timecode) and indeed traditional DJ's, VDJ was first developed to replace hardware, first on a basic level replacing the need for decks and a mixer unit, then replacing the need for having multiple apps by adding a ton of features including KJ support, and eventually replacing DVJ's (and other similar hardware). I remember the infamous DJ magazine, where VDJ was advertised along-side a picture of the CDJ-1000's in a trash can!

It's only in the last few years that VDJ has been serious about supporting Timecoded Vinyl/CD's, but the situation has gone full circle as I've always predicted, timecoded vinyl/CD was only ever a temporary "fix" until pro grade midi controllers reached the market, such as the CDJ-2000 where "direct" control is possible via midi.

VDJ is plug and play with more midi controllers than any other software on the market, so the old arguements "It's not plug 'n' play", "it's not for club DJ's", and "it's not stable" will no longer stand up when devices like the CDJ-2000's are fitted in the clubs.

It's not plug 'n play the way Serato is...
I can be up and running in less time with Serato than I could ever be with VDJ.
The longest part of setting up serato is my mac booting up.

I was able to get VDJ to be somewhat solid for years only because I build specific PC's with a lot of tweaking and testing to make sure it will work... that wasn't easy.

With the combo Mac+Serato you need NO tweaking ... just turn it on!!

not everyone uses CDJ's... I personally prefer turntables at every gig. I bring my own if I have to.

In fact most top video jocks who used to be on Pioneer DVJ's are NOW using Serato VSL. Roonie G, DJ 2nd Nature, Kris P, Mike Relm, etc...

No big act performing DJ's use VDJ.... that I know of.

There are some listed here: www.virtualdj.com

those guys are all doing video?

i believe they are just comparing a and b now. Video aside the above is true.

Roonie was in Charlotte last night...rocking it with Serato.

I know for a fact DJ Vice doesn't use Virtual Vinyl or VDJ

Maybe he has changed sinced.

Serato is becoming the walmart of djing.

Ive never been one anyways to be swayed by what people, whom I dont know personally, are using reguardless...
we all know theres a payola element to artists using certain equipment, especially if
their face is on the product...

Its a good marketing tool towards young impressionable guys who dont know what they
like and want to emulate who inspired them to come into the scene.

I totally agree Joshua, I've taken plenty of flack for using VDJ but it's never been my goal to fit in, I'll use what works for me and I advise everyone else to do the same, it would be boring if everyone used the same product. It's good that different products have their own pros.

It's not plug 'n play the way Serato is...
I can be up and running in less time with Serato than I could ever be with VDJ.
The longest part of setting up serato is my mac booting up.

I was able to get VDJ to be somewhat solid for years only because I build specific PC's with a lot of tweaking and testing to make sure it will work... that wasn't easy.

With the combo Mac+Serato you need NO tweaking ... just turn it on!!

not everyone uses CDJ's... I personally prefer turntables at every gig. I bring my own if I have to.

In fact most top video jocks who used to be on Pioneer DVJ's are NOW using Serato VSL. Roonie G, DJ 2nd Nature, Kris P, Mike Relm, etc...

No big act performing DJ's use VDJ.... that I know of.

fix the waveform lag on Macs

how r u Charlie?
Just curious what area you are from, I play in Manchester and Bolton and most of my Dj pals play in scratch live. I'm the only one in my town that plays scratch live with video sl. There are a few people I know who use vdj and they use it with their oodj laptop but most of my Dj circle use scratch live pal.

popcorn and sits....

Ouch. ME just raised the stakes tremendously

www.youtube.com view

christ! man.

thats smooth.

i wish ME would make native support for the 57! it NEEDS to be done.

being able to setup the 57 however just like in SSL/VSL

+1. Or VSL should just copy ME straight up.

I don't know but after I installed 1.9.2 VSL played my videos choppy as fuck. I'm thinking of going over to ME full time, not just for recording sets. It doesn't use as much system as VSL.

The title of this thread is perfect.

so if i bought ME how would i use it with the 57? i'm thinking about getting this.

I imagine it's be mostly a midi-controlled arrangement.

and assigning effects and transitions 1 by 1 to a midi channel is HUUUUUUGE!

No more scrolling and selecting!'
that part in the vid, when they just scroll through the effects in real time, NICE!

That means we are so close to programmable bpm-synced effects!
(other than just tapping on the bypass button to the beat)

Wow, ME is looking pretty impressive...I just bought a mac yesterday and gave it a work out till 7 am in the morning? Never a hiccup. I do have a problem with those lagging/jerky waveforms though. I hope Serato really fixes this and adds more features.
Your right Steve Dub, the title is perfect. I know eventually everything will be good though. Serato has not let me down yet!

Swift?

Lagging/jerky wavforms is not an ME problem, it's a SSL problem.

As far as ME is concerned, it links to the 57 no problem, nothing to assign really.

Id go as far and call it A MAC PROBLEM!

{runs and hides}

From what version did you upgrade SSL? 1.9.2. plays fine (no choppy video) although it has crashed on me a few times. I think it's due to my macbook just barely able to handle it. I don't know. I need to run more tests as I've had 5 hr gigs without issues and then it might crash at one gig in less than an hour.

sucks that windows users can't use ME

but yea....ME 1.4. wow.

sorry nathan.

not to mention the weekly plug-ins. hooooooo boy.

Hi mate,

I live in between York and Hull, but have been in the middle east for the past year and will be there until Jan 2010. I also have video SL

ME 1.4 WOW. nuff said!

yea

Sorry Dub....I was referring to Video SL...going back and reading my post I realize how it may have come across as referring to ME. So, as far as the 57 goes...I imagine that you don't have the same control with ME as you would with Video SL do you? I haven't yet looked into it but will be pretty soon. I'll be purchasing one or the other pretty soon....
Thanks for the reply

impressive.

It would be interesting to know what features are planned for the next version of Video-SL because I would gladly shell out the $179 for ME if Video-SL does not step it up, now if Video-SL will have feature parity in the near future I would rather not waste my cash...

I think what's most frustrating about this thread is that the guys at Serato have no comment about it. ME is clearly a superior video product, in terms of features, at this time and there have been no announcements about any improvements with VSL.

At least tell us that you are at least thinking about making some changes!!

I agree. Serato team I understand you don't can't get into specifics but how about a "we are planning a release that will compete with the offerings of our competitors.

I am sure it will all be announced at NAMM but the big question is how long it will take to get released after NAMM.

I used ME this weekend and it worked flawlessly, I plan on using it from now on until VSL steps it up. And if any of my friends ask me I'm going to tell them to get ME instead of VSL.

@Steve. U have the 57? What are u using to crossfade?

someone needs to do a really good NEW ME video showing off the features in realtime.

www.sidelinehotties.com

thats great, but id love to see an avid user break it down.

reguardless, when i get my mbp im def getting it, i thought it worked WITH VSL though?

Yes Killbill I have the 57. Been using VSL since it came out and been on ME for at least 6 months.

hahahahahaha....

whoops/....I had to use that pic for a promo of Michelle.
she's coming by the club tonight to broadcast during the pats game.

my B.
enjoy the Abs

Damn, ME sounds like the way to go until further word from VSL

Yes it is.

Wish I had a macbook pro to be able to run ME cause VSL is fuckin' me in the ass right now. (no homo). I hate not being able to know if and when it's going to freeze on me. lol

i thought your macbook was handling video fine?

It was... until the new versions. Now it freaks on randomly. No idea why. It may run fine for 5 hours straight. Then, on the next gig, it might crash within an hour or less.

Sixxx you've been in the game long enough to know we make money on our equipment. You aren't doing pro-bono gigs are you...Fess up and get the newest MBP already!

im squatting.

new mpbs by february.

so i hear.

hahaha. No doubt. I'm actually waiting on a good deal. Remember, I got my macbook for $500 off craigslist with a 3 year applecare. :)

shit, fuck beans,,,, i need a deal like that!

granted, my xps is still killing 1.1.1 with no isssues

It's kinda crazy cause when I got the macbook, I wasn't really getting into VSL. I mean, I had the 57 already but I was going to wait. Then, got the macbook and realized it met the requirements so I bought VSL.

I do have to step it up... BUT, it does meet the requirements. :) So, it shouldn't be crashing!

u think they'll have the i7's in them?

the big thing on this one that I read about was the TB internals HD and some other wild processor.

the next mbp i get has to be quad core.

"According to Digitimes, Intel is poised to launch their Arrandale mobile CPUs in January 2010.

Intel plans to launch four 32nm dual-core Arrandale CPUs (Calpella platform), the Core i5-520M, Core i5-430M, Core i3-350M and Core i3-330M, in the first half of January 2010 for the mainstream notebook segment, according to sources from notebook players.
The Arrandale CPUs are based on the advanced Nehalem architecture first introduced into Macs earlier this year. These new mobile processors are said to come in mainstream as well as low-voltage variants that will make them suitable for both the MacBook Pros as well as ultra-thin notebooks such as the MacBook Air. These new chips are expected to deliver significant performance boosts over the currently shipping Apple notebooks."

Steve I don't think thats Aaron...

lol I know Kris, just thought I'd never see another Vinyl Manipulator around.

what's so funny about this thread is how people think its so easy to implent a new feature without issues or side affect's. I mean look at certain medication. They have side affects, but it gets worked out. People want text, people want mp4 support in the sampler. But are yet to understand that the problems lie within the laptop aspects. Adding mp4 support to the sampler means more processor running, hotter computer/laptop. And more crashing. You guy's ever stop to think hey maybe the laptops is not powerful enought to do all that. What about the graphic cards, memory,quick time, the codec's. Their is way more things to wonder about when adding new feature's. Seeing my moms works for jvc and I work for kodak. You guys don't seem to understand how difficult adding new features can be. Now I see people complaining about choppy wave forms, but then complain about staring at them all night long. If its choppy don't look or go into your video setup and under output change from best (quality) to high and see if that helps. I read all the post that people are haveing with mac's and I'm on a macbook pro 08 with 2Ghz inter core duo processor, 2 gb memory and ati radeon x1600 and I don't have no issues doing video at all. That's why I don't post problems. And the one's that I run into I fix my self pretty easy. Give serato/rane guys some slack. You talk about going over to me till they get thing right. What about when things are right then you comeback and still want me support. Now they have another task on hand. You can't please everybody. Ask DJ Ace about when I do video at the hop . It runs perfect all night. Keep up the good work Serato/Rane your product is the the. And that's not just from me its all my fans that tell me every wed through Sunday at my gigs they complaiment on how good it sounds and the technical part of it. Which make the club owner keep me coming back. P.S I also see people complaining about vsl and the $200 for the plug in. If your haveing a hard time spending $200 the what make it easy to spend $3000 or more on a laptop to run all what you ask for. Either your not charging enought or your just a bedroom dj. Peace.

Paragraphs please... lol


I personally understand the problems aka side effects of adding new features. I just don't understand the randomness of it all. Like I said, I could do 5 hours fine or have problems in the first hour. Different files. Never the same one. So.... that goes to show you that it isn't perfect. And, it isn't just me.

... and I'm all about fixing your own problems IF YOU CAN NARROW THEM DOWN. I can't. No idea what's causing my issues... and neither does Serato support.

that's crazy sixxx. Do you rescan your id3 before each gig. That's what I do.

Que..... this is what its about. VSL isnt up to par. that is all.

Que, ME runs better, that's the bottom line. I own both so why wouldn't I use what works better for me?

If the customers don't complain then how will they know that they're doing something wrong? It's called FEEDBACK and there's nothing wrong with it.

Oh and I'm still waiting for a video from you :)

If you dont see a problem with spending $200 on a plugin that isnt as fully developed as the competition, then you my friend, are the type of dj that makes SOOO much money that you buy $2000 watches, and 28" rims, but have no health insurance or 401k set up. Then all of a sudden you will be out of gigs cuz some other dj will take your spots and then you have nothing to look forward to but sure as hell wish you didnt spend that $200 on VSL so you could eat for the month.

Stop trying to call out DJs just cuz you think your mr big d!ck, got dj gigs 4 days a week.

ha ha!!!!

dj he's I'm not acting like I'm all big. I brought vsl cos of the outbreak of dj's. I don't want to be in the same field as a regular dj. I do video, dj, karaoke, rent out stages, rent out jumpers, rent out sound, and work for kodak till Next month when they close down the last one runned by ryder. I understand the competetion has a better product to use but the time line could be very different. Most want stabilty others want lighting fast response.I'm sure serato can do all what we want, but is the technology up to speed. Working for kodak I see first hand how things go wrong and company's go down. And get brought out by other companys. Also I'm not trying to call out dj's. I could care less. But I am Mr. Big Dick.(you know the saying lets leave it at that). I have 401k 2 trucks on 24" rims life insurance, medical, 3 kids, child support ( which means I need to keep working) and all that didn't come from djing. And I did pay $200 for the plugin. What's $200 when I spent $80,000 on dj equipment, jumpers, stages, so to spend $200 for something I know is stable is no problem. Hell I'm still using vsl 1.1.0 cuz its stable for me. If you add to much stuff to vsl, really how much of all this will you use b4 the song goes off or you make your cpu crash. When I do video I don't do alot of effects. Most is cos I'm in the heat of the moment and it skips my mind that it does all that. Till I get home and go dam, I forgot it did that.

Grabs the popcorn bag and hopes this will be a short argument...so we can get back to asking Serato why VSL is getting it's stuffing knocked out by ME.

Steve I don't think thats Aaron...

Que, the limitations of VSL is not due to technology lacking, that has nothing to do with it. Its not like we are talking about Windows Vista with 512 ram.

if ME provides more capabilities than VSL, then ME stepped up to the plate, VSL slept.

And FYI, it wasnt just $200 for me. I had to buy a 57 (upgrade from my 56) then buy a new unibody macbook (upgrade from my 1.83ghz macbook) to be able to run video. now it turns out i DIDNT need my 57. For me its more about the principal though. I would have rather spent my $ on ME than VSL at this point. If later, VSL steps up to the plate, then switching would be an option.

Yeah yeah, we are all djs and make tons of money and have nice things, we get it. We arent saying us as DJs arent capable of rockin sets and keeping people happy, that was a given. Its that we can make room to improve a good tool and make it great. To try and say people are bedroom djs or arent charging enough is ignorant tho, and if you are the type of consumer that doesnt think twice when spending $200 on a product then you are the preferred customer of everyone who sells shit.

Swift?

Is there a ME community?

Id like to see their support forum...oh, wait, its mac only...never mind.,

look, i just shat on my own platform.

www.inklen.com

1.9.2 gave me problems. 1.9.1 has been working. Still feel the safest on 1.8.3 but I like how 1.9.1 only turns the tracks green when you actually play them so I'll risk it for now.

thats where Im at too Steve.

I had to start a help topic...had a few buggy things in 1.9.2
mostly maintenance things... nothing on the performance side.
(when I started editing track info too fast, SSL would crash)

I have stayed at Leopard and 1.9.1. I have zero issues with that set-up with VSL and see no reason to change yet as 1.9.2 doesn't really give me anything extra.

See what I mean? And, I know it's not even a mac thing. My buddy (the other illegalalien) has a PC. It's a powerful one too. Had random crashes with 1.9.2 and 1.9.1... he's back to 1.9 as of last week.

I'm running 1.9.2 and VSL 1.2 on Leopard and its solid. I dont trust the unibody macs so still running my 2.66 Duo Core loaded and it rocks.

kris p with the late pass....

I think Kris P set up is what I wanna do...but I have been holding out on getting the upgrades, but if kris is solid, I am doing the same....

I personally don't know how much more I want to do with video, you guys are doing all next level stuff...I think the avg user is probably fine with VSl as it is and when its working properly...personally, I don't have time to set up a bunch of different effects, scrolling text, etc etc...

solid here with me also.

SSL 1.9.2 / VSL 1.1.1 / Snow Leopard

Check my system profile in my profile. The MBP specs.

S-O-L-I-D

SSL 1.9.2/VSL 1.1/Leopard 10.5.8/QT 7.5.5

Unibody MBP 2.4 GHz Core Duo, 2GB Ram

wow kp letting stuff out. I see a problem coming.

my shit is solid and its the most current releases of snow leopard, vsl and ssl. mbp 17 inch unibody 8gb ram 2.93 :)

Not Swift....Not Aaron.....just a serato scratchlive user and 57 owner who recently switched to a mac.....lol. Late pass on getting the mac.....should've done it a long time ago. Now, about ripping those Promo Only discs.....off to work.

my point exactly. The average user is what matters. I have all these effects and was using text overlay. And during a mix in the club I would not think about the effects. Then get home and go dam I fogot to use text or the effects. But that's what other's want. And will get then will want more. Then serato will be like vdj. Then people will complain over and over again. Do what you do serato to keep the program stable.

I've heard a lot of unibody Macs with lagging video later in the night. Operator error, software, hardware? I say 90% of VSL problems are with the user.

LOL.....I always have the fresh ish.

I keep it simple. Don't use ANY effects except the standard fade.... and like I said, I hadn't had any problems with VSL until 1.9 + or maybe it was until I upgraded VSL to the latest one. Mmmh. Now, I'm thinking. Anyway, it still randomness for me until I figure out what the fuck is going on.

I have no issues with laggin video later in the night...and if someone is having issues with laggin vids later inthe night, its because of overheating...my machine runs anywhere from 55 to 65c and sometimes spikes to 70c...but never higher than 70. The only lag issues I had was when snow came out and I installed it be4 serato fixed whatever issue they had and when apple put out the performance update it pretty much eliminated lag issues.

Yeah. I would imagine anything "later in the night" is cause by either heat or memory issues.

So if I recently bought the vsl plug in then I should return it and get me? I already have the 57 and a MacBook pro. I like the effects from me. What do you think cuz first video gig in 2 weeks. Thanks and I am running snow with the latest updates and have noticed any issues yet. 2.4ghz with 4gb ram and 320gb 7200 rpm internal HD.

not sure but i don't think you can return a vsl plug.

Mozilla,

Not sure that you can return it since it's all about the serial number. How do you forget that?....Unless I can try out some cool tools I found in a medical bag on the side of the road?

Lol, well I am pretty cool with dudes at GC and buy a lot of stuff. It wasn't sealed when I purchased it. I was just wondering if the only thing I lose is the ability to scroll with my 57 and see the videos in the viewer? Not to mention I bought Val less then 2 weeks ago.

Personally... I would keep it... but I would make sure that serial number is registered in your name!! if wasn't sealed when you bought it... chances are very high that someone else is using that same serial number right now.

I think I will roll with Vsl to show loyalty and hope they come out with a new update soon. I have been happy with Serato and couldn't imagine using any other software. Maybe I just have to practice a lot more with vsl.

I think I even bought some of your videos from cc or one of them sites. Props for your video edits if it was your stuff. Only issue I wish they had was extra visuals for mp3 files with no video to avoid a black screen. That's my main problem I am encountering finding visuals to attach.

Peace

you will be very happy with vsl.

Keep VSL, I'm sure Serato guys aren't sleeping. There silence probably means they have a lot of surprises with their next update.