Sample player

The SL3 has the Aux option for the Sample Player.

What about alowing a bypass option for those who don't have the 57 or SL3 instead of just L,M,R Because I do not like having to bring my EQ's back up to play my samples after I have done a mix or something. It's become very annoying and it also has hindered my performance ideas. Please either tell me how to run it better. or make it bypass tot he master without having EQ controll over it.

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Cutloose

SSL already has a sample player that you can assign to either right, left or both decks... Once you've loaded your samples into the sample player (6 of them) you just press z,x,c,v,b or n to play them.

Yeah I know about the sample player but i mean how I can play those samples without going through either of the left and right decks. Master option only means it goes through both, not bypass both channels and go out master. It should bypass it all and play when you have both channels down.

You would need an extra output on the SSL box to do this. Don't know if you've noticed but NO sounds go through your master on your mixer if the fader on thechannel to which it's connected is down. I can't see what your problem with using left or right is?

I don't like that the you can't route the sample player to an aux output on the 57sl like you can with the sl3.. I would like to be able to cut and transform with the faders and not have it effect the sample player

Thats right ICY1
A lot of the time with the more technical manauvers I do. The Sample player plays at different levels when both channels are up compared to one channel being on. SO when Juggling it gets loader and softer as I phaze between the channels. So a rout option needs to be implemented.

I would be happy to just route the sample output to the headphone jack on my computer... in fact, this would be a perfect solution so that i could just put it on another line in my djm700. is that a viable software maneuver?

I know what you mean guys about it being twice as loud when you have both faders up. I also know what you're trying to do... Have both faders up with one track playing, press the effect, then drop the next track and lower the first fader.
What I will say though guys is that it's really not that difficult to change the effect to the channel that your next track will be on, this will solve the volume problem.
If however you're not just dropping tracks in and are actually mixing, you should not have both channels on full volume, if you do, you lose the impact at the transition point as the volume drops... It's kind of a let down from a listeners perspective.

In other words guys, I don't think this idea will be at the top of the list of things to do. There are far more important features that have precedence over this.

Matty, what Cutloose described was beat juggling, not mixing. Say for instance you've got an acapella in the sample player and you want to juggle a beat behind it. With the output in the middle, the acapella's level will double every time you move the fader from one side to the other, sometimes many times a minute, and that is a huge let down from a listener's perspective.

I think the routing to headphone socket solution would be ideal. Coupled with the four banks, that's a powerful feature. Alternatively, you could try Flossyfx, but then you get no level, pitch or loop control, so you'd have to edit everything beforehand, and that kind of takes the spirit out of what you're trying to do.

Thanks Danny. :)
Well I see this feature as a big failure as it hinders my performance and being able to push the boundaries as a Musical Performer.
The external routing option is a good idea. Then just use a Y cable cool.
What about being able to use one of the phono thru inputs and plug it into the AUX on the mixer..... EG: Phono Thru 1-out of box into AUX IN on Mixer. For those that don't use the phono thru at some gigs.

Are they doing it on purpose to make DJ's like me upgrade to the SSL3 because I want to do more with the software?

Can a Moderater please explain why these options aren't available when it was clear that the Sample player was developed with the knowledge it would be used as a third deck option. With all due respect of coarse.

i agree i think they should have the sampler just play as a sampler no routing on the software just be able to trigger the samples and play out the master and be adjusted from the sample volume location all in one, without even having to go through the faders or and the faders controling none of the volume aspect. Isnt the Sl1 interface hardware a sound card also??? just a thought.

The problem is that the 57 sl is only a 2 channel usb sound card, the sl3 is a 3 channel usb sound card.. Im sure they will come out with a new 57 sl3 it just sucks for every one like me that bought the 57 sl .. don't get me wrong I love the mixer, I just wish it had 3 usb channels so I could use the sample player to play a track, while I scratch and beat juggle with the up faders and cross faders without it effecting the track thats playing thru the sample player .. I can do it with the sl3 and it is great.. just sucks I cant with the 57sl.. I have talk to the scratch live techs, they and a lot of djs act as if their is no problem. then why did they go thru all that trouble to make the sl3 box.... it was so you can route the sample player AROUND THE FADERS..

well it is here sooner then I thought, the rane 68 4 channel usb mixer

this one of the options for the rane 68

• SP-6 Sample player output assign to mixer channels.

Additional output options are added to the SP-6 Sample Player, allowing a user to choose channels 1-4 or the FlexFX Return as the output. This allows three decks coming out of channels 1-3 and having the SP-6 coming out of channel 4.

Agree. I never use the sample player 'cos it doesn't sound right running direct through the channel. What it could really do with is its own available channel send (which, currently, would have to be AUX out on SL3, though the new Rane 68 could potentially add options as it can control four decks?) mingled in with the current options.

I think this is something that needs to be addressed. I'm waiting for Serato to get back to me but from what I gather, if you own SL1 you can forget about outputting your samples independently. You can use the keyboard keys or a MIDI to trigger them and adjust the fader but you don't have control of EQ for the sample otherwise you have to use the EQ on the deck it's outputting on and if there's a track already playing on deck 1 or 2 then that's a disaster.

I also think it won't work with SL3 as it's for 3/4 decks, that doesn't mean the Bridge SYNC sampler will work on a deck, just on the sampler if that makes sense.

So that I'm saying is, no EQ on the sampler channels is bad, the ability to route the sampler to deck 3 in scratch 2 (SL1) would be the answer or for SL3 (Scratch2) to deck 3 and 4.

I don't know the exact characteristics of THE BRIDGE but judging by the sampler and the basic Rane SL boxes, the ability to route to an independent channel is limited not to mention a lack of EQ...

I'm pretty sure NI Tracktor had 4 channels as a basic that have the ability to sync.

The limitations of the hardware are just the same as when you bought it, just because the software has developed further, it doesn't give you the right to feel hard done by.

Serato constantly works to add more and more features to the software, but what you're talking about it beyond the limitations of the hardware, I think you're being a bit spoilt asking for serato to write impossible software so that you can have the same features as I have, when I sold my SL1 and bought SL3, specifically to do what you are talking about here.

I hate to sound harsh, but to me it sounds like a case of trade up or shut up on this one eh.

I think a new scratch mixer (57sl3) would be a swell idea for those who don't want a club mixer, but want all the features of the 57 and the sl3 combined.

Firstly, I'm not sure if your referring to me and if so I am not complaining or spoilt. I am simply explaining and questioning the options of the Bridge oh yeah 'eh'

I have a lot of respect for Serato, I'm very happy with SL1 but as I said there are the limits and one only has to look a little further at other products to see the same plus a little more is available on the market.

I didn't say that Serato should write 'impossible' software for SL1 and the thought of upgrading to SL3 is what I was considering...

Please don't tell me to shut up, your on the internet, not conversing in person. You would also have a different opinion of me had you looked a little better at my first post and seen that I wasn't insulting the company just what I felt was lacking of the assumed forthcoming Bridge...

Not specifically talking to you naraic, sorry to cause offence, I mean none to anyone.

Your SL1 has 2 outputs (the other two are thru signals, audio cant be routed to them, it just plays what's going into the corresponding input on the box).

This means that you can only have two streams of audio coming off the hardware at once, left deck, right deck. The only options available to you in terms of the SP6 without trading up to SL3 or rane 68 are to combine that extra virtual stream of audio to either (or both) of the actual streams coming off the interface.

In terms of "The Bridge", you only have two options, as the ableton live set is played on one or other of the virtual decks, hence comes out the corresponding output on the SL1 interface (left or right).

A 3rd virtual deck or routing the SP6 to another channel is impossible on the SL1, as there is no output on the interface to route the audio to.

Serato could "potentially" include the ability to route another stream of audio to another device (laptop soundcard/laptop headphone jack), but then the advantage of the SL3 would be diminished and no one would buy one, and they couldn't guarantee reliability or consistency of this, as they have no control over what the hardware being used is.

I'd highly recommend getting an SL3 (or SL4 if they invent one in the future???).
The advances in audio quality, versatility and ease of setup are amazing.

No offence taken :)

I genuinely think having this on Scratch 2 would be a great extension for Serato/Bridge to compete with Traktor and I was an Ableton DJ user and hated the fact I couldn't 'touch' the track so I switched to Serato, love it but need to upgrade as I think the sound out of SL1 is limited and I just feel that if I splash out a lot of money for SL3 I want to know exactly what I get as I already upgraded to Live 8.

It would remove the need for say cycloops or other loop processors and just have an integrated system not OTT with a great software like Ableton and the future would develop a great relationship and so many possibilities with a tangiable product, serato, being the core.

Just to note, now that someone can explain.

I want to use 3rd or 4th channel to output my acapellas or loops but it's the sync of Bridge that interests me. Do you know if I can use the sync'd sampler channels to play on my 3/4 channel outputs?

I don't know if you can throw an ableton live project into the SP6 (but I look forward to finding out!!).

From what I understand of the bridge, it doesn't "sync", you actually beatmatch the .als using the control vinyl/cd, so it's only sync'd as well as your beatmatch. I guess if you were using 2 turntables and SL3, you could instant double the .als onto a locked deck (int mode), and hope and pray that the beatmatch stood the test of time for sampling, while you mixed tunes with the 2 turntables.

There's a lot to be answered eh, and I think the question of whether the bridge will allow ableton live sets in the sp6 is a good question, however this would be tricky as you'd need to either beatmatch on a virtual deck the drag the track to sp6 (instant double to sp6), or have a midi controller with pitch control and pitch bend to beatmatch, and given that you'll be limited to 3 streams of audio total coming off the SL3, you might as well have a 3rd turntable instead and benefit from the more intuitive control that comes with it.

I use 2 decks, SL3 and an akai MPD24, here's something I do heaps which is quite cool.

Track playing on left deck.
beatmatch loop on right deck.
Drag loop off right deck into SP6 (playing out aux on SL3 into spare mixer channel).
Mix new tune in off right deck.

It gives almost all the same benefits as 3 decks, without actually needing a third turntable in the booth. I use the midi controller to nudge the loop if it falls out of time, and have ability to actually change pitch of tune (mpd fader).

Keep in mind, you will still only have 3 streams of audio off the SL3, so if you want 2 decks, SP6 and bridge, the SP6 will still have to be combined with another stream of audio, and you'll have your original eq problem.