I cannot stand this waiting game...

Ive been waiting for the 57SL for months now. I bought mine at PSSL at they said it would be in stock by 4/9/06. Now they are saying 4/20. I really dont have the patience for this! Where did you guys buy your 57SL's? Arriving anytime soon?

If I remember correctly, a mod from Rane stated that they were waiting for some parts that would not arrive until the middle of this month to complete production. That is the reason for the continued delays.

Parts? wow that is some bad marketing. I hate when manufacturers toy with us and give us such an early release date then push it further back. I wont be surprised if they come out with a later date. Ill just try to keep calm, maybe watch some porn, play some basketball, use my SL1. =)

I don't think this is entirely Ranes fault. If I remember correctly the Rane mod said something about one of the companies that they get parts from wasn't able to get them the parts on time as promised, so basically Rane got screwed a lil by these guys and now you're feeling screwed

If these things are in people's hands before 5/1/06,.. I for one will be VERY shocked and amazed.

RicecukerR, no everyone will have it at around the sametime, so like you said chill and watch some porn or something. And if you need a hook-up PM me.

S

Bad marketing? Did they give you an exact date? Did they NOT post about what to expect if everything went perfectly and letting people know what could potentially go wrong in the chain?

No, no and no.

I meant bad marketing for my provider PSSL. They gave me a really early release date.

well, if it makes you guys feel any better, it's not even in my budget right now...so my waiting game is gonna be onsiderbly onger than yours...!

Yes bad marketing! if you dont have it in.... dont say nothing! dont post anything! or use the words MAYBE BY (such date)...
as a costumer i dont like this game, if rane says mixer will be rdy by middle of april 2006 then us as costumers will be expecting something at that date! but if they say Mixer maybe will be rdy by April 2006 then ppl will understand if they say: Look something went wrong and wont be rdy until MAY! Hey i dont blame Rane for having problems with parts, i think is BS that other companys are not doing their job, since that will cost Rane money, so maybe next time instead of giving a exact date they can use the words: maybe or we are trying to release this product by April, May...etc etc.
Now web sites are also very guilty!! because they want money upfront without having the product in stock! thats bad bad bad..
but Rane cant control the way they do business, I know Rane is doing everything they can to release the product, because at this point they are losing money!

to be fair, this happens all the time with tons of products. companies need to give release dates because consumers demand them. look at all of the posts on this very forum! "when will rane release the ttm57?!?" etc. there's got to be at least 10 different threads demanding a release date. when a company says "listen, we're not completely sure but we're shootng for this date", then customers get upset. when they give a definite date and can't make it, customers get upset. it's a catch-22. and there's no way around it as long as there are components of a product that are dependent on outside vendors (ie. whatever parts rane was waiting for that came late from another factory).

look at the track record. hi-rise stand: late to arrive, lengthy shipping delays. ssl version 1.5: still waiting. so it should come as no suprise that the ttm 57 is a bit later than expected. that's cool, to me, because when it comes out you know it will have the quality that we have come to expect from rane.

think about it this way: how many singles/albums actually come out on the release date that they are supposed to?

It is a lesson not to deal with companies like PSSL. These companies are notorious for pre-selling products which have not even been released.

u mean.. no, no and yes..

that's not fair. EVERYBODY was preselling the 57 and they all were quoting the same date,.. the date that Rane gave them when the product was announced. To critisize PSSL for printing the date given to them by Rane is just ridiculous. Did you think they just made up a date to sell some mixers?

Yah PSSL is a great company. They have never disappointed me. Plus I dont really care anymore. I need to learn a little more patience anyway.

I doubt Rane gave out a definite shipping date. The dealers turned that into a fixed shipping date (many dealers not just PSSL).

It seems to be force of habit with many dealers, and I single out PSSL because of they way they lead search engine results ... pick a product that is just demonstrated at NAMM or Musikmesse, and you can guarantee that these dealers will have it advertised and be willing to take your money, with absolutely no idea of when the product will actually be shipped.

Are they dishonest? Probably not ... you'll eventually get the product if it ships. Are they unethical? Yes.

Agreed. Many other dealers are guilty as well.

As a customer you should know already.

For one thing, PSSL did not take my money yet. Basically they only did a verification if I had enough money in the account to pay for the mixer.

mister iLL said


I differ. No one knew that there was even something called a TTM57 or that Rane was working on one. THEY announced it and set the dates hence setting customer expectations. Granted there are bound to be problems along the supply chain, people will still be irked by the delay. The resellers as well got their expectations from Rane. The dealers may have misled folks but they were not doing it from thin air.

It's a double-negative, meaning they did post about what to expect, etc...

ma bad!

calm down you bunch of babies

It looks like folks really want their 57s real bad ....

I dont remember such fracas when the 56 came out. It actually sneaked it's way into people's hearts.

Because the 57 is intergrated with Serato and the track record of the 56 has proven itself. Put the 2 together and viola!

Just look at the mixer itself! Its a monster. You get the best of both worlds in one mixer! Throw in an effector with it as well. This mixer is well worth the money and probably the last mixer you will ever need. Or until rane will surprise us again with something else. =/

We have a rule here at Rane that we don't announce a new product until we know with "reasonable certainty," what the ship date will be. On January 19th, the first day of NAMM when we announced the TTM 57SL for the 1st time, we were "reasonably certain" that all the parts to build the first run would arrive April 14th or 18th. This is what our parts vendors were promising on Janury 18th.

The build date (the date all the parts are here at the factory) has moved several times since January 18th. Currently, it's April 28th. We hope it doesn't change, sometimes it doesn't, most times it does a few days.

I'd like to thank all those who've contributed positive karma to our collective universe & efforts by chanting their positive vibes towards our vendors since they're driving all this stuff.

Keep up the good work, Steve (and all the rest of the gang)!

No worries here Steve. I would rather get my 57SL fully working with NO BUGS rather than get my 57SL ASAP with a GANG of problems. But if the parts dont come in by April 28th im gonna go crazy.....hahaha just messin.

The porn thing is not working for me...

When are people going to learn enough about modern manufacturing processes to understand what's going on?

Nearly all modern manufacturers maintain a small inventory of parts to build their products. As inventory levels drop parts are ordered in a fashion so that the arrival of the parts occurs just before running out (with a little 'wiggle-room'). This concept is call' JIT - or Just In Time Inventory. Car manufacturers use it just as much as every other manfucturer.

What this means is that as you start preparing to release a new product and the initial testing and prototyping has been done you need to order parts. However, your just in time inventory processes aren't prepared to handle parts you don't normally stock so it takes time to send the specifications on the new parts off to your suppliers, determine an appropriate cost for the parts (including changing suppliers if the cost difference is significant), and then order inventory. If the person you're ordering from doesn't have enough of that item in inventory they need to order more raw materials to make the part and have sufficient time to produce the part you need. This takes time. This is also why it was stated in another thread that if it used all existing parts the product would have already been released.

I do have this to say - a slip of 10-14 days based on original projections more than 3-4 months ago is nothing. It's an inconvience. The fact that a vendor posted that as an expected ship date is their fault - not Rane's. The fact that they didn't update the customers with the fact that the date changed is not Rane's fault. Keep in mind that 28 April is the expected arrival date of parts. Once the parts arrive, are checked in and inspected, they still need to start production. Once production gets started it will likely be another couple days before stock starts shipping to the distributors.

If I ordered a TT57 today I'd not expect to see it until sometime around June.... If it showed up before then I'd be happy as a clam...

BTW, I've worked in the IT departments for a number of manufacturers including dealing with JIT inventory control systems so this isn't entire new territory for me.

you don't expect any of the ADD tweakers on this board to actually read any of that do you? they aren't interested in how the real world works, they want to scream until Rane comes to their house and changes their diapers

No, I really don't. But if only one of them reads it and stops adding threads that say 'Whaaaahaaaaa! Where's my TT57?' it will have been worth it....

Unlike some other companies Rane doesn't have a history of vaporware.... just relax and the product will show as quickly as they can get it out the door. I'm sure the engineers, sales staff, and everyone else at Rane can't wait to get the product shipping and to make a big annoucement.

I think Samuel L Jackson (as Jules) said it best in Pulp Fiction...

"bitch be cool!"

:) I'm playin, chill though. They want your money as much as you want the mixer, they are on it. Chill :)

Ah.. life is good..

LOL yo!

Can I just get the one that Sam demo'd at NAMM? Ill pay extra!!

I called Pro Sound after Namm and asked them to put it in there system so I could pre-order it!!! The reason I did is because I heard here in the forum that is was already selling out...that is why I am first on the list!

So I guess I am notoriously contributing to bad company politics.